Jim Krenz

2 publications by Jim Krenz:

Notable Magic! (Steve Beam, Jim Krenz, Jerry Mentzer, 1994)
All Expense Paid Trip For Three (Jim Krenz, 1995)

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Creators	Title	Comments & References		Year	Source	Page	Categories
Derek Dingle	The Derek Dingle Fabulous Jumping Card Trick		Also published here The Derek Dingle Fabulous Jumping Card Trick (Derek Dingle, Derek Dingle's Last Notes, 2004) Variations The Amazing Ten Card Trick (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Three, 1995)	1982	The Complete Works of Derek Dingle	216	Cards / Effect Themes / Number Effects / Six Card Repeat & Co.
Albert Goshman	Salt & Pepper Shaker	coins vanish and appear under salt and pepper shakers	Related to Coin under Shaker à la Goshman (Gary Kurtz, Leading with your Head, 1992) Quasimodo Quoins (Jim Krenz, The Minotaur, 1996) Variations Scotch and Soda for Real (Reed McClintock, Knuckle Busters Vol. 1, 2002) Shaker and Silver (Giovanni Livera, Genii*, 2002) … and 2 more	1985	Magic By Gosh	39	Coin / Effect Themes / Appearance & Vanish with Reproduction Routines / With Props / Purse Frame Salt Shaker & Pepper Shaker / Miscellaneous Coin / Effect Themes / Traveling / Coin under Object (Saltshaker, ...) Purse Frame
Robert D. Michaels, David Ben, Michael Close, Bob Farmer, Michael Weber	Invisible Triumph	rough smooth, for credit information see reference	Related to Invisible Triumph (Jim Krenz, Notable Magic!, 1994) Shake, Shuffle, And Twist (Steve Bedwell, The Innovations Collection, 1995) also in: Shake, Shuffle, and Twist (The Trapdoor — Volume Three, 1996) Shake Shuffle and Twist (Flexing and Twisting, 1998 ca.) … and 3 more	May 1986	Apocalypse (Vol. 9 No. 5)	1207	Cards / Effect Themes / Turnover & Reverse / Triumph / Think Triumph & Named Triumph Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Deck / Rough and Smooth Decks / Brainwave & Invisible Deck
Howard Wurst	Case Load from Spread	card perpendicular under spread	Related to TPC In Card Case (Jim Krenz, The Tamariz Perpendicular Control, 1994) also in: Skinned And Covered (MAGIC, 1995)	1991	Cheat Sheet (Issue 9)	89	Cards / Sleights / Case Things / Loading a Card into Case
Richard Kaufman (reviewer)	NeoMix	by Jim Krenz		Feb. 1992	MAGIC (Vol. 1 No. 6)	42	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Michael Weber (reviewer)	Neo Mix	by Jim Krenz		Nov. 1992	MAGIC (Vol. 2 No. 3)	56	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Jim Krenz	Savage Card	all cards from deck change into selection, Himber wallet	Also published here Savage Card (Jim Krenz, Notable Magic!, 1994)	1993	The Trapdoor — Volume Two (Issue 50)	901	Cards / Principles / Sticky Cards / Effect Themes / Transformation / Multiple Cards Cards / Effect Themes / Transformation / Wild Cards
Jim Krenz	The Card Dropper Shuffle	two breaks, a cards are "accidentally" dropped (inspired by Juan Tamariz)	Also published here Krenz's Overhand False Shuffle (Jim Krenz, Notable Magic!, 1994)	1993	The Trapdoor — Volume Two (Issue 50)	904	Cards / Sleights / Shuffles (non-riffle) / Overhand / False / Full Deck / Miscellaneous
Jim Krenz	Triumph	deck roughed on back		1993	Card File	190	Cards / Effect Themes / Turnover & Reverse / Triumph / Classic Effect (with or without selections) Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Deck / Rough and Smooth Decks / Miscellaneous
Jim Krenz	TPC In Card Case		Also published here Skinned And Covered (Jim Krenz, MAGIC, 1995) Related to Case Load from Spread (Howard Wurst, Cheat Sheet, 1991) Variations "Magic Muscle", 2008 also in: In Your Face! (Genii, 2011) Underhanded Delivery (Arie Vilner, Underhanded Delivery, 2009) … and 3 more	1994	The Tamariz Perpendicular Control	24	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) to Card Case Cards / Sleights / Case Things / Loading a Card into Case
Jim Krenz	Savage Card	all cards from deck change into selection, Himber wallet	Also published here Savage Card (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Two, 1993)	1994	Notable Magic!	1	Cards / Principles / Sticky Cards / Effect Themes / Transformation / Multiple Cards Cards / Effect Themes / Transformation / Wild Cards
Jim Krenz	(Son of) Dracula Goes Wild!	Wild Card with Dracula theme	Also published here Dracula Goes Wild (Jim Krenz, The F.F.F.F. Book, 2012) also in: Dracula Goes Wild (Jim Krenz, MAGIC, 2012)	1994	Notable Magic!	8	Cards / Effect Themes / Transformation / Wild Cards
Jim Krenz	Nothing Too Loose	monte trick in which card with large hole must be followed	Inspired by "Nothing To Lose" (Bob Farmer)	1994	Notable Magic!	14	Cards / Principles / Sticky Cards / Effect Themes / Topological Effects / Holes Effects Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Cards / Rough and Smooth (not full deck) Cards / Effect Themes / Gambling / Three Card Monte / Packet Trick with Monte theme
Jim Krenz	Invisible Triumph	spectator shuffles, all cards roughed on back	Related to Invisible Triumph (Robert D. Michaels, David Ben, Michael Close, Bob Farmer, Michael Weber, Apocalypse, 1986)	1994	Notable Magic!	18	Cards / Effect Themes / Turnover & Reverse / Triumph / Classic Effect (with or without selections) Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Deck / Rough and Smooth Decks / Brainwave & Invisible Deck Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Deck / Rough and Smooth Decks / Miscellaneous
Jim Krenz	Krenz's Overhand False Shuffle	two breaks, a card is "accidentally" dropped, on back cover of booklet	Also published here The Card Dropper Shuffle (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Two, 1993)	1994	Notable Magic!	26	Cards / Sleights / Shuffles (non-riffle) / Overhand / False / Full Deck / Miscellaneous
Jim Krenz	Cent from Hell	copper coin in alu over candle changes to gold		Dec. 1995	Apocalypse (Vol. 18 No. 12)	2581	Foil Coin / Effect Themes / Transformation / Miscellaneous
Jim Krenz	All Expense Paid Trip for Three	three cards travel from packet to packet, no touch condition	Also published here All Expense Paid Trip For Three (Jim Krenz, All Expense Paid Trip For Three, 1995) also in: All Expense Paid Trip (Jim Krenz, Real Secrets, 2012) Related to "Three Cards Pass" (Tom Sellers, The Gen, Vol. 22 No. 8, Dec. 1966, p. 211) Variations 6 Covers 6 (Ryan Schlutz, False Anchors — Volume Two, 2017) also in: 6 Covers 6 (False Anchors, 2020) V1 - One Deck Version: The Division (Michael Weber, Across Words, 2023)	1995	The Trapdoor — Volume Three (Issue 56)	1067	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) Across / Classic & Variations Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Cards / Double Backer / Same Color
Jim Krenz	The Amazing Ten Card Trick	eight phases	Inspired by The Derek Dingle Fabulous Jumping Card Trick (Derek Dingle, The Complete Works of Derek Dingle, 1982) also in: The Derek Dingle Fabulous Jumping Card Trick (Derek Dingle's Last Notes, 2004)	1995	The Trapdoor — Volume Three (Issue 59)	1128	Cards / Effect Themes / Number Effects / Six Card Repeat & Co.
Jim Krenz	All Expense Paid Trip For Three	three cards travel from packet to packet, no touch condition	Also published here All Expense Paid Trip for Three (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Three, 1995) also in: All Expense Paid Trip (Jim Krenz, Real Secrets, 2012) Variations 6 Covers 6 (Ryan Schlutz, False Anchors — Volume Two, 2017) also in: 6 Covers 6 (False Anchors, 2020) V1 - One Deck Version: The Division (Michael Weber, Across Words, 2023)	1995	All Expense Paid Trip For Three	1	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) Across / Classic & Variations Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Cards / Double Backer / Same Color
Jim Krenz	Skinned And Covered	case load from perpendicular control	Also published here TPC In Card Case (Jim Krenz, The Tamariz Perpendicular Control, 1994) Related to Case Load from Spread (Howard Wurst, Cheat Sheet, 1991) Variations "Magic Muscle", 2008 also in: In Your Face! (Genii, 2011) Underhanded Delivery (Arie Vilner, Underhanded Delivery, 2009) … and 3 more	May 1995	MAGIC (Vol. 4 No. 9)	59	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) to Card Case Cards / Sleights / Case Things / Loading a Card into Case
Jim Krenz	Quasimodo Quoins	coins travel from hand to hand every time a spectator rings a service bell, last coin appears under bell and as a climax a jumbo coin appears	Related to Salt & Pepper Shaker (Albert Goshman, Magic By Gosh, 1985)	Sep. 1996	The Minotaur (Vol. 8 No. 3)	1	Bell Coin / Effect Themes / Appearance & Vanish with Reproduction Routines / Jumbo Coin Sequences Coin / Effect Themes / Traveling / Hand to Hand / Normal Coin / Effect Themes / Traveling / Coin under Object (Saltshaker, ...)
Roberto Giobbi	Aktuelles aus der Zauberszene	on Charles Carter, Jean Merlin, Valentine Vox, Bert Allerton, Jim Sisti, Luis de Matos, Joaquin Ayala y Lilia, Victor Voitko, Netcheporenko, Isora y Gavilondo, Jorgos, John Bannon, Roger Klause, Juan Tamariz, Ana Tamariz, Jim Krenz, Aurelio Paviato, Alex Elmsley, Tony Cachadiña, Joan Font, Ron Wohl, Dai Vernon, Jamie Ian Swiss, Hardy Lossau-Romano, Gustavo Lorgia, Les Anneaux Magiques, Valérie, Gianni Henderson, Gérald Le Guilloux, Eros, Jean Garin, Wittus Witt, Tex O'Neal, André Poulie Carter the Great Reiseführer Las Vegas Geschichte und Kunst des Bauchredens Restomagie Estoril Magico Was halten Sie von David Copperfield? Magia Potagia - Tamarizland Houdini - Zauberclub in Madrid Aufgeschnappt "Finden Sie mal meine Karte..." Aufriss mit Zauberei Grosse Kartenschule ist Favorit Lustig ist das Artistenleben Flasoma '97 Die Magischen Ringe Millionärstraining mit Erfolgsgarantie Wittus Witt auf Siegeszug Tex O'Neal's spielt falsch! ,, A One Man Show" Traumdoktoren in Spitälern Petite Museum Das letzte Wort		1996	Hokus Pokus (Vol. 58 No. 1)	23	Articles / Columns
Roberto Giobbi	Aktuelles aus der Zauberszene	on Hank Moorehouse, Lance Burton, Herb Zarrow, Ron Wohl, Milt Larsen, Steve Bedwell, Joe Givan, Matt Schulien, John Bannon, Simon Aronson, Chuck Schulien, Jim Krenz, David Solomon, Ed Marlo, Eugene Burger, Frances & Jay Marshall, Danny Korem, John Corenlius, Eddie Fields, Stephen Minch, Jon Racherbaumer, Fred Bravour, Max Maven, Guy Hollingworth, Vanni Bossi, Lennart Green, Aurelio Paviato, Steve Forte, Richard Vollmer, Christian Scherer, Rico Leitner Lance Burton: Première im Monte Carlo Magical Empire Steve Bedwell Schulien's It's Magic David Solomon Eugene Burger in Biggs Seminar von Danny Korem Jim Krenz Unfreiwilliger Humor Eddie Fields Fred Bravour im Zauberring Basel Max Maven in Basel Für Erdnase Fans 2. Dreiländerkongress 1998		1996	Hokus Pokus (Vol. 58 No. 4 & 5)	129	Articles / Columns
Roberto Giobbi	Aktuelles aus der Zauberszene	on Corinda, Andino, Duo Wirbelwind, André, Paul Rosini, Kenton Knepper, Lewis Ganson, Jean Hugard, Karl Fulves, Mike Maxwell, Ted Annemann, Mike Porstman, Daryl, Alfredo Florensa, Pepe Carrol, Stewart James, J. B. Bobo, Geoffrey Buckingham, Piet Forton, Tamariz, Ascanio, Camilo, Pepe Carroll, Toni Cachadiña, Miguel Gomez, Bernard Bilis, Daniel Rhod, Jean-Pierre Vallarino, Bebel, Carlos Vaquera, Aurelio Paviato, Vanni Bossi, Magic Christian, Bill Kalush, Ron Wohl, Jim Krenz, Ramon Rioboo, Stephan Kirschbaum, Waltrick, Yehuda Pines, Scott Penrose, Erhard Liebenow, Lior Manor, Josef Alon, Roy Oron, Ron Lufatin, Karo & Doré, Armando de Miguel, Joaquin Navajas Corinda's 13 Stufen Trottoir Ein klitzekleiner Spalt Wunderworte Comeback der Klassiker Einwegspiele Light Serie auf Spanisch J. B. Bobo Geoffrey Buckinham Escorial 1996 Zaubervideo für Kinder Rampenlicht Zauberkongress in Israel 1. Wiener Zaubertheater und Kadotheum Zaubergeschäft in Madrid Seminare im Zauberring Basel Kulturbörse Freiburg		1997	Hokus Pokus (Vol. 59 No. 1)	25	Articles / Columns
Christian Scherer	2. Dreiländerkongress in Zürich	on the 2. Dreiländerkongress in Zürich, Gerwald Lehotzky, Wolfgang Sommer, Rico Leitner, Topas & Roxanne, Ursus & Nadeschkin, Sylvester the Jester, Mecki, Jörg Alexander, Camilo Vasquez, Marnac, Lubor Fiedler, Jim Krenz, Hans-Peter Eichert, Richard René, Markus Gabriel, Miki, Manfred Geiss, Thomas Vité, Peter Lodynski, Pino Pan, Eberhard Riese, Tomoyuki Osaka Die Eröffnungsshow Die Close-up Gala Dreiländerparty Seminare und Workshops Sprechzauberwettbewerb		1998	Hokus Pokus (Vol. 60 No. 4 & 5)	100	Articles / Convention Reports
Michael Close (reviewer)	Anagram-ation	by Jim Krenz		Apr. 1998	MAGIC (Vol. 7 No. 8)	30	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Juan Tamariz	Contributors	on the collaboration with Carmen, Manuel Cuesta, Ramón Riobóo, Jim Krenz, Ramblar, Ariston, Rafael Benatar, Alan		2004	Mnemonica	xxiii	Articles / Articles
Jim Krenz	Blackjack Exhibition	two rounds, performer gets Blackjack		2004	Mnemonica	54	Cards / Effect Themes / Gambling / Blackjack Cards / Principles / Stacked Deck Stuff / Only for Special Stacks / Mnemonica (Tamariz)
Derek Dingle	The Derek Dingle Fabulous Jumping Card Trick		Also published here The Derek Dingle Fabulous Jumping Card Trick (Derek Dingle, The Complete Works of Derek Dingle, 1982) Variations The Amazing Ten Card Trick (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Three, 1995)	2004	Derek Dingle's Last Notes	25	Cards / Effect Themes / Number Effects / Six Card Repeat & Co.
Arie Vilner	Underhanded Delivery	stealing a card from the tabled card case to an in-the-hands spread above the case, reverse of TPC load	Inspired by TPC In Card Case (Jim Krenz, The Tamariz Perpendicular Control, 1994) also in: Skinned And Covered (MAGIC, 1995) Related to Underhanded Delivery Application - The Wide Open Prediction (Arie Vilner, Underhanded Delivery, 2009) Underhanded Delivery Application - The Mighty Force (Arie Vilner, Underhanded Delivery, 2009) … and 1 more Variations Underhanded Delivery Squared (Arie Vilner, Underhanded Delivery, 2009)	2009	Underhanded Delivery	12	Cards / Sleights / Case Things / Case as Holdout Cards / Sleights / Case Things / Miscellaneous Cards / Sleights / Additions / with Props
Steve Duperré	In Your Face!	two selections end up on the case and in the previously tabled wallet, wallet load from TPC	Also published here "Magic Muscle", 2008 Inspired by TPC In Card Case (Jim Krenz, The Tamariz Perpendicular Control, 1994) also in: Skinned And Covered (MAGIC, 1995)	Aug. 2011	Genii (Vol. 74 No. 8)	17	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card under Glass, Box, ... Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) to impossible Location / Wallet
Jim Krenz	Dracula Goes Wild	as James Krenz, Wild Card with Dracula theme	Also published here (Son of) Dracula Goes Wild! (Jim Krenz, Notable Magic!, 1994) also in: Dracula Goes Wild (Jim Krenz, MAGIC, 2012)	2012	The F.F.F.F. Book	131	Cards / Effect Themes / Transformation / Wild Cards
Jim Krenz	All Expense Paid Trip	three cards travel from packet to packet, no touch condition Impromptu Version (PDF bonus effect from September 2012)	Also published here All Expense Paid Trip for Three (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Three, 1995) also in: All Expense Paid Trip For Three (Jim Krenz, All Expense Paid Trip For Three, 1995) Variations 6 Covers 6 (Ryan Schlutz, False Anchors — Volume Two, 2017) also in: 6 Covers 6 (False Anchors, 2020) V1 - One Deck Version: The Division (Michael Weber, Across Words, 2023)	Sep. 2012	Real Secrets (Vol. 1 No. 6)	1	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) Across / Classic & Variations Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Cards / Double Backer / Same Color
Jim Krenz	Dracula Goes Wild	Wild Card with Dracula theme	Also published here (Son of) Dracula Goes Wild! (Jim Krenz, Notable Magic!, 1994) also in: Dracula Goes Wild (Jim Krenz, The F.F.F.F. Book, 2012)	Jan. 2012	MAGIC (Vol. 21 No. 5)	40	Cards / Effect Themes / Transformation / Wild Cards
Jim Krenz (reviewer)	Symbol	by Steve Cook		July 2016	MAGIC (Vol. 25 No. 11)	80	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Jim Krenz (reviewer)	Priceless	by Michel Huot, Richard Sanders		July 2016	MAGIC (Vol. 25 No. 11)	80	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Jim Krenz (reviewer)	Numberic	by Taiwan Ben		July 2016	MAGIC (Vol. 25 No. 11)	82	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Jim Krenz (reviewer)	The Dream Act	by Shin Lim		Aug. 2016	MAGIC (Vol. 25 No. 12)	78	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Jim Krenz (reviewer)	Polarity	by Pablo Amira		Aug. 2016	MAGIC (Vol. 25 No. 12)	82	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Jim Krenz (reviewer)	Opus	by Nefesch		Aug. 2016	MAGIC (Vol. 25 No. 12)	84	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Ryan Schlutz	6 Covers 6	hands-off selection and riffle shuffle by spectator	Also published here 6 Covers 6 (Ryan Schlutz, False Anchors, 2020) Inspired by All Expense Paid Trip for Three (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Three, 1995) also in: All Expense Paid Trip For Three (All Expense Paid Trip For Three, 1995) All Expense Paid Trip (Real Secrets, 2012) Related to Turn of the Century (Paul Curry, Paul Curry Presents, 1974) also in: Turn of the Century (Paul Curry's Worlds Beyond, 2001)	2017	False Anchors — Volume Two	41	Cards / Principles / Locator Cards / Pencil Dot or similar Marks Cards / Sleights / Controls / Spectator shuffles - Subtleties Cards / Effect Themes / Location / Challenge Locations / Challenge Single Card Location / Miscellaneous Cards / Sleights / Force / Cut Forces / Henry Christ Force Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Cards / Double Backer / Same Color
David Oliver (reviewer)	Neo Mix	by Jim Krenz		Feb. 2018	Genii (Vol. 81 No. 2)	93	Reviews / Props & Tricks
David Oliver (reviewer)	Invisible Triumph	by Jim Krenz		Feb. 2018	Genii (Vol. 81 No. 2)	95	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Jim Krenz	In Memoriam: John Cornelius			June 2019	Genii (Vol. 82 No. 6)	11	Articles / Obituary
Brad Henderson (reviewer)	Victorious Triumph	by Jim Krenz		Nov. 2019	Genii (Vol. 82 No. 11)	84	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Ryan Schlutz	6 Covers 6	hands-off selection and riffle shuffle by spectator	Also published here 6 Covers 6 (Ryan Schlutz, False Anchors — Volume Two, 2017) Inspired by All Expense Paid Trip for Three (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Three, 1995) also in: All Expense Paid Trip For Three (All Expense Paid Trip For Three, 1995) All Expense Paid Trip (Real Secrets, 2012) Related to Turn of the Century (Paul Curry, Paul Curry Presents, 1974) also in: Turn of the Century (Paul Curry's Worlds Beyond, 2001)	2020	False Anchors	73	Cards / Principles / Locator Cards / Pencil Dot or similar Marks Cards / Sleights / Controls / Spectator shuffles - Subtleties Cards / Effect Themes / Location / Challenge Locations / Challenge Single Card Location / Miscellaneous Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Cards / Double Backer / Same Color
Ryan Plunkett (reviewer)	Invisible Triumph	by Jim Krenz		Dec. 2023	Genii (Vol. 86 No. 12)	90	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Michael Weber	V1 - One Deck Version: The Division	reds and blacks openly separated, five cards are reversed as a block in both halves, three cards travel across leaving two red cards reversed in the red half and eight in the black half, almost hands off Performance Notes (variant with two sets of Ace through Five as the reversed cards)	Inspired by All Expense Paid Trip for Three (Jim Krenz, The Trapdoor — Volume Three, 1995) also in: All Expense Paid Trip For Three (All Expense Paid Trip For Three, 1995) All Expense Paid Trip (Real Secrets, 2012) Related to No Touch Cards Across (Michael Weber, 2012 FISM Notes)	2023	Across Words	1	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Packet to Packet Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) Across / Classic & Variations Cards / Gaffed Cards & Decks / Cards / Double Backer / Same Color
Mark Phillips (reviewer)	Invisible Triumph	by Jim Krenz		July 2024	Genii (Vol. 87 No. 7)	88	Reviews / Props & Tricks
Asi Wind	Card to Box	handling of Jim Krenz's card case load (odd crediting) The Card Box Load Fine-Tuning	Inspired by TPC In Card Case (Jim Krenz, The Tamariz Perpendicular Control, 1994) also in: Skinned And Covered (MAGIC, 1995)	2024	Repertoire II	53	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) to Card Case Cards / Sleights / Case Things / Loading a Card into Case
Asi Wind	Card to Wallet	using Jim Krenz's card case load to load a wallet	Inspired by TPC In Card Case (Jim Krenz, The Tamariz Perpendicular Control, 1994) also in: Skinned And Covered (MAGIC, 1995)	2024	Repertoire II	74	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) to impossible Location / Wallet
Asi Wind	Stage Handling	doing Jim Krenz's card case load with case on spectator's hand	Inspired by TPC In Card Case (Jim Krenz, The Tamariz Perpendicular Control, 1994) also in: Skinned And Covered (MAGIC, 1995)	2024	Repertoire II	75	Cards / Effect Themes / Traveling / Card(s) to Card Case Cards / Sleights / Case Things / Loading a Card into Case

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